Sister Sword of Desirable Mindfulness (fiberaddict) wrote,
Sister Sword of Desirable Mindfulness

During our Torah reading last Friday (we are using Torah Tots, very very Jewish, and I have to keep pointing out the NON-Torah parts, but it's better than nothing), something came up...and I've been mulling it over ever since. We're in Deut. now, and Moses has set up the Sanhedrin, smaller courts, and king.

One of the things that the Torah tots writer said was (paraphrasing, here) "If you sin and not punished by the Beit Din or Sanhedrin, God will do it. The next time you miss a bus/are late for work/in an accident, ask yourself what your sin is and repent of it so that God will quit punishing you!" Mom immediately cried FOUL! and said that No, God does NOT cause bad things to happen to you, but he can use them. I was caught flat-footed, and meekly agreed....but told the kids later that I was WRONG.

WHAT? You say. Your Mom was RIGHT! What do you mean God causes bad things to happen? Simple. Mom's statement is a chrischun teaching - and it's NOT BIBLICAL. At all. Which means it's WRONG. Want proof? Off the top of my head:

Moses and the Israelites wandering the desert for 40 years because they didn't trust God.
Moses not being allowed to enter the Promised Land because he didn't follow God's command about calling the water.
David and Bathsheba losing their firstborn.

Oh, but those are all OT, and therefore NOT applicable, you say. Right :shakes head in disgust:....OK, how about:

Sapphira and Ananais being struck dead for not giving the disciples what they had promised.
The Destruction of the Temple (OK, that's not IN the Bible, but it was prophesied, and it did happen AFTER the Resurrection.)

I don't have my Bible handy, or I'd list point is, God can AND WILL discipline us when we stray. That's pointed out ALL OVER Scripture - but chrischuns don't want to hear that. He's a luuvvvvvvvvvving God, they say. He only wants what's best for us! Maybe so...but what kind of parent would *I* be if I allowed my children to do whatever the Hell they wanted? (Think about this....and look around. How many delinquents are out there now, because the parents wanted to be the kids "best friend"? How many people have entitlement issues because their parents gave them everything they wanted? How far has society slipped because no one is willing to punish their kids for doing something they were told NOT to do?)

Now, I don't necessarily agree that *every* bad thing that happens to me is because of some un-repented for sin I commited. A lot of the time? Sure - but I don't think me being late to work because someone else had an auto accident is because I did something wrong - I might just have been caught in the aftermath (IOW, shit happens sometimes). I have noticed, though, that when major bad things happen to me, there usually IS something I need to atone for.....and God has usually tried to get my attention in smaller ways first. (And no, I don't think the death of my first husband was any sort of discipline or punishment for me......I think that was the adversary's work, to discredit God/test my faith.)

Disagree with me if you want, but please - THINK about it first? If you want to disprove it, back it up with Scripture, please - but take a good, hard look at things first. God just might be trying to get your attention.

ETA Boy...I tell you, God laughs at me sometimes. This just hit my inbox from FFOZ:

Parashat Hashavuah

Ki Tetze - כי תצא : "When you go"
Torah : Deuteronomy 21:10-25:19
Haftarah : Isaiah 54:1-10
Gospel : Acts 13-15

Stoning Rebellious Children
Adapted from Torah Club Volume One
Unrolling the Scroll

Thought for the Week
Do not hold back discipline from the child, although you strike him with the rod, he will not die. You shall strike him with the rod and rescue his soul from Sheol. (Proverbs 23:13-14)


If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them ... (Deuteronomy 21:18)

Kids will be kids. That's true. But they don't have to be bad kids. "Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right" (Ephesians 6:1), the Apostle Paul says. In the Bible, obeying one's parents is a big deal. So much so that a rebellious and disobedient son was supposed to be stoned to death.

Did the ancient Israelites really stone their rebellious children to death? Torah Club Volume Five explains the conditions and limitations the rabbis placed on the execution of this law. The Talmud states, "There never has been a case of a 'stubborn and rebellious son' brought to trial and never will be" (b.Sanhedrin 71a).

Nevertheless, the law is a fair warning to all parents. Some parents look the other way when their children disobey and misbehave. The Torah wants us to realize that permissive parenting is not an option for the people of God. Many parents today tolerate disobedience and regard teenage rebellion as an ordinary part of growing up. It may be ordinary, but that does not make it permissible. The Didache says, "You shall not remove your hand from your son or from your daughter, but from their youth you shall teach them the fear of God" (Didache 4:9).1 The book of Proverbs says that a man who does not discipline his son hates his son, but a man who loves his son disciplines him diligently.2 Discipline teaches a child wisdom, "but a child who gets his own way brings shame to his mother" (Proverbs 29:15). Another proverb states that disciplining a child will not kill him, but warns that withholding discipline could both kill him and doom his soul to hell:

Parents are responsible for bringing up their children in a godly manner. If we do not, our children will inevitably pay the consequences, whether in this world or in the world to come.

The commandment of stoning a rebellious teenager seems unreasonably harsh, but the story of David's sons illustrates that a parent who does not discipline a child is actually taking the child's life.

King David did not fulfill the responsibility of training his children. David loved his sons too much to properly discipline them while they were growing up, or so it seems. The Proverbs say, "He who withholds his rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him diligently" (Proverbs 13:24). As a result of permissive parenting, several of David's sons met tragic and grisly ends.

His son Amnon raped his step-sister Tamar. David did nothing about it. David's son Absalom (Tamar's brother) murdered Amnon as vengeance for the rape. David did not properly deal with Absalom's vigilante action. He merely exiled him temporarily. Absalom led a rebellion against David and was eventually speared by David's men. David's son Adonijah attempted to usurp the throne. Solomon had him struck down with the sword for his rebellion.

The Bible says that David never crossed his sons at any time. He never asked them, "Why have you done so?" (1 Kings 1:6). In other words, he never held them accountable for their behavior. Had David disciplined his sons when they were young, rebuking misbehavior and punishing disobedience, he might have saved their lives.

1. To learn about the Didache, see the introduction. 2. Proverbs 13:24.

Goes right along with what I said up above, doesn't it? :lol:
Tags: religion

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