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From:enjayk
Date:September 16th, 2009 10:56 am (UTC)
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Yes, you do feed and milk animals, it falls under not causing animals pain, but I believe that you're supposed to do any special preparations, such as making a mash, ahead of time. You do not collect eggs, since not collecting them isn't painful. I'm aware of a Jewish goatherd who allows the animals to consume the milk themselves so as to not derive any benefit or pleasure from it. Riding your horses on Sabbath would be wrong. Not because it would be work for you, but because it is work for the horses and animals have the right to rest on the Sabbath. I heard a Rabbi talking about not asking a dog to fetch slippers on the Sabbath, so I guess even asking a dog to perform tricks would be considered work and thus not allowed.
From:enjayk
Date:September 16th, 2009 11:15 am (UTC)
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I should add the caveat that I'm not Jewish, but I am nosy and we have a few Jewish ladies who attend the Tuesday knitting group at the LYS :) An interesting tidbit that I found out, Jewish people are not supposed to have their animals neutered, it falls under the don't cause an animal pain clause again. However, there is no law against their owning a neutered animal, so it's okay for them to adopt or purchase one that is already neutered if that's what they want. I really wanted to ask if it was okay if the Rabbi neutered the animals for them, but didn't feel it proper so I kept my mouth shut. They do seem to spend quite a bit of time wielding knives though so maybe...shutting up now :)
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From:fiberaddict
Date:September 16th, 2009 01:11 pm (UTC)
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Right - not collecting eggs isn't painful, but it can start a cycle of egg-eating in your hens that will cause you problems later (they will eat ONLY eggs, and not the laying pellets, which will cut their egg production; it will cause flimsy shells - which CAN cause harm, since they can break in the "production line", so to speak, and cause injury/death. So...I can see this one both ways.

Allowing goats/sheep to "self-milk" - which is what I think you mean by the shephard letting his goats drink the milk - is...well, it's not healthy for the goats. Again, loss of production for you, the consumer, but also - let me back up a minute.

Goats carry a couple of diseases that are passed on via the milk - CAE (sort of goat AIDS) and CL (not really sure how to explain that one, but it's nasty). So far, no one has *proven* that it will pass to humans, but it *does* pass thru milk to the kids/older goats that drink it. It's why most knowledgable (and - that's not really the right word here) shephards will be on hand at each birth and remove the kids before they stand up to nurse. You hand-milk the doe, heat-treat the colostrum (or feed colostrum from a proven clean doe), and bottle feed from then on. (Usually with bottled cow's milk - otherwise, you pastuerize the goats milk before giving it to the kids).

Thanks for the info, though - I'm still contemplating a part 2, but don't know if I'll have time.
From:enjayk
Date:September 16th, 2009 06:07 pm (UTC)
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Well, I would think that if you had health concerns over feeding the goats milk than there would be other ways of disposing of it, feeding it to them seems to be the way that particular goat owner chooses to handle it. With the chickens I would assume that any bird that became an egg eater would then be slated for the table.
I did ask about the light switch but forgot to post the answer (that's what I get for posting so late at night LOL) They told me that it's not because turning on the switch is work but because it can create a spark, and you're not supposed to kindle a fire during Sabbath.
Another interesting tidbit I discovered, Giraffe was approved as a food animal in 2008.
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From:fiberaddict
Date:September 16th, 2009 06:58 pm (UTC)
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Umm...do giraffe have cloven hooves AND chew the cud? 'Cause if not, they're NOT food, according to the Torah.

I need to dig a bit, but I think the verse actually says "Don't gather wood *to* kindle a fire", NOT "don't kindle a fire" - but I might be mis-remembering. That's on my list of things to look up. :grin:
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